Episode 436

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22nd Sep 2025

Udi Ledergor: Courage Over Clichés in Modern Marketing

Udi Ledergor is back on the pod—and this time, he’s bringing the fire behind Courageous Marketing, his new book that challenges everything safe, stale, and same-same in today’s crowded GTM world.As the former CMO of Gong during its hypergrowth years (multi-billion-dollar valuation, anyone?), and now Chief Evangelist, Udi knows firsthand how to build brands people actually love. In this episode, he and John dig deep into what separates average from iconic in today’s AI-drenched world of “best practices.”You’ll hear:

  1. Why courageous marketing requires risk, not just reach
  2. The 10-20% “crazy idea” budget every brand needs
  3. How sales and marketing can truly work together
  4. The real difference between vanity metrics and valuable growth
  5. How to craft a brand people feel, not just see

Whether you’re a marketer looking to break the mold or a seller tired of lead-gen lip service—this episode is for you.

Are you interested in leveling up your sales skills and staying relevant in today’s AI-driven landscape? Visit www.jbarrows.com and let’s Make It Happen together!

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Get Udi's book Courageous Marketing: https://mybook.to/courageousmarketing

Check out Gong's Website: https://www.gong.io/

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About the Podcast

Make It Happen Mondays - B2B Sales Talk with John Barrows
John Barrows helps sales leaders decide whether to replace or rebuild their teams for the AI era. Drawing on 25+ years with Salesforce, LinkedIn, Google, and Amazon. Weekly tactics and guests to help you sell at a consistently high level.
John Barrows helps sales leaders decide whether to replace or rebuild their teams for the AI era, drawing on 25+ years working with Salesforce, LinkedIn, Google, and Amazon. He advises CROs and VPs of Sales on AI readiness, team structure, and go-to-market strategy. He trains sales teams on the fundamentals that drive consistent performance, with or without AI.